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I'm sure enough to be sure.

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So who on

here we are.

So how have you been?

I've just got back from
the lovely espania.

I had a lovely time.

And you've been busy working and healing.

Yeah.

They let you in and they let you back out?

Did they Tina?

They did let me in and out.

Yes.

Yes.

It sounded like you had a,
a, what I call it, it was a

really Moorish time, wasn't it?

Where you were gran.

It was a very Moorish time.

It was a fabulous place.

I've never been to Granada before.

Uh, the Alhambra was amazing
and Cordoba was really cool.

It.

Hmm.

Well, I am, I am kind of envious.

I haven't been away for quite a while.

Mm-hmm.

Um, but I have been enjoying my time in
Epsom as many of the people in the Secret

Ages of change membership group have
been experiencing, getting the insights

of all the places I like to tour around.

Again, a again, a, a tour
of the Surrey Parks Group.

Yeah, I did.

I must find some new places to go.

Places.

Places, car park, new places
this time sound a bit dodgy.

Me sitting around in
car parks, doesn't it?

It does.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Please.

It does get arrested.

Let's, let's edit this and move on.

So yeah, I've been doing a
lot of, a lot of healing.

Yeah.

Um, just kind of resting and, you
know, eating healthy and doing

lots of walking and Qigong and,
and lots of reading and, uh.

But all, well, we're into
September now, aren't we?

But yeah, three months to Christmas.

Yeah.

Seriously.

Oh my God.

Yeah.

We just gonna mention this
every month, don't we?

Um, yeah, August was a bit quiet.

I like August because
it does go very quiet.

I used to go away every August
and do something different.

Um, but there's a, I dunno about you.

Have you noticed there's like
a vibe of things starting to

pick up again in September?

There is.

Yeah, there is.

Yeah.

I mean, I, I missed my traveling too.

Uh, and as there was this presidential
directive not allowing me into

the us not just me by the way,
people, lots of people from, yeah.

The year of the uk I have seen posters.

Yeah.

Do not allow this woman in.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Wise choice.

Um, we decided to run away
to Spain because we could.

Nice.

Yeah.

Really nice.

Well here we are, uk we're Planet
Earth, mission Control Central,

and we are back with our live.

Aha.

And, um, it's been, I, I really
enjoyed the sessions this, this month.

In fact, I enjoy them
every month actually.

I like listening to yours and I
like listening back to mine as well.

'cause I never know what I'm
gonna do till I've done it, which

is always a big surprise for me.

I've got themes and then I
just see what, what comes out.

And we've had some good
feedback from people again.

So, um, I'm not checking on Facebook, so
I dunno who's here and, and who's on yet.

Um, we've got some good
questions for some people.

Um, uh, who have we got?

There's, we've got some comments already.

So, Jane Caldwell is there.

Hi Jane.

Hi Jane.

So we have Marco in Roma.

Uh, we've got San Jess watching
us and Tanya is watching.

She's keeping an eye on, okay, so
we got a tiny little group, but hey,

that's a group, that's our people.

It's getting bigger.

There's more.

Yeah.

And people will see it over and
over the next couple of weeks.

And what we will be doing, guys, just
so you know, the, um, the Facebook

Live will be left in the Facebook
group just for about a week or so.

Then we're gonna take it out.

So it'll only be available after
that, almost like a replay for

people in the membership group.

Okay?

So if you're here, if you know the ahas
are on, um, grab them when they're live.

Um, but they'll be around for about a
week and then they'll be disappearing

off of the, uh, off the Facebook group.

But they'll be available for
those people who are in the

membership group for, for eternity.

Forever.

That's no.

Shall we, my, my, my, my timelines.

We're both talking about time, aren't we?

Yeah.

We, we were talking, having conversations
about time, um, and how time flies

and ages and things like that.

So I need a state change.

Okay, here we go.

Right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Som I'm So let's back in the nap.

Let's throw, let's throw
the first question out.

Um, okay.

And this is from the US of a, so
I dunno whether he is actually

watching right now because he might
be working 'cause it's the afternoon.

Um, how do we install amnesia now?

I dunno about you, but I forget.

Yeah.

What do you think?

Amnesia?

Well, I forget, I, I forget to
remember, or do I remember to forget?

I'm not quite sure.

Do you know what I, I'm getting really
good at not having to install amnesia

nowadays because I seem to something more.

Yeah.

Um, I have my, not put notepads because,
uh, some of, you know, um, back in

December, 2019 and I had a mild stroke and
I've shared that story with a few people

and, um, I have no recollection of the end
of December, January, most of February.

And yeah, I, I can kind of recall March.

So in terms of amnesia, I, I'm
really good at experiencing, in fact,

Tina helped me to recalibrate time.

'cause I was struggling to have a sense
of when today was, when tomorrow is

a week of a month's time, et cetera.

See, I'm even anchoring it now.

Can you see that it's still in place?

Yeah.

Yep.

Good.

For, so it's, um, you know,
installing amnesia is not,

um, a difficult thing for me.

Actually.

I find it quite easy to forget things.

Um, I I, what I've learned about
amnesia and memory is that I have

to do something which I never used
to do, which is to purposely think

about the things I want to remember.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

So, I'm, I'm looking at this in, I'm gonna
answer this in a slightly different way.

I'm gonna twist it around.

It's not about amnesia, but what do we
need to do in order to have a good memory?

Because then I think with amnesia, we
all, we just have to do the opposite.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Does that makes sense?

Yeah.

So like for, for me to remember things
now, things I used to easily remember, I

have to make a real mental note and pay
attention to them and go back to them

again and again, again, at least two,
three times very quickly before I go back

in and I now know I have to call someone.

I now, now I have to have something
done by this particular time.

Okay.

Yeah.

So, so I, I'm kind of answering
this question on the fly.

Okay.

Which is why I'm kind of jazzing
around a little bit with it.

But, uh, I never had to, never had to
do that prior, you know, because if

something was important to me and I
thought about and I was gonna do it,

and I needed to remember, it's almost
like it locked in a lot quicker.

Mm-hmm.

It doesn't seem to be
happening so easily now.

Um, I'm not saying it won't happen because
it's something I've been working on.

Um, so I think in terms
of installing amnesia.

It's a case of not doing
repetition with something.

So for example, um, if I parked
my car in a car park previously,

I'd have looked around and gone,
oh, this is where it's parked.

And I, that would've been
enough in order to install the

memory to find my car later.

Now, if I do that, that
doesn't seem to be enough.

So I have to make a, a note of it.

I even have to take a photograph
of it and do something two or three

times in order to get the same memory
lock in that I used to do previously.

Yeah.

So if I wanted to have amnesia
for something, I really wouldn't

pay much attention to it.

You know, it's like I, I'd use,
I wouldn't use the strategy for

memory in order to create amnesia.

I'd kind of just wouldn't really
pay attention to something

they just wouldn't lock in.

No, I dunno that if that's, uh, the
best answer, if it's an answer, which

it's just occurred to me, it's just
an answer that's occurred to me in,

in relation to what I have to do
now in order to, to remember things.

And I can't give of a better
answer in a minute as well.

There's something else
will bubbling the way.

What do you think about this in, well,
when he, when he mentioned it, I thought

of when we've done, um, when we used
to demonstrate a hypnotic space show.

Do you remember we did that a few times?

Yeah.

1, 2, 3, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.

Yeah.

And we had people forget the number seven.

Um, yeah.

And we had people forget all sorts of
things, uh, by using direct suggestion,

by getting an agreement with their
subconscious mind, by using idio

motor re responses or finger signals.

Uh, so installing trance and getting
an agreement with the subconscious

that they were willing to forget.

Just like Paul McKenna has done
for many of his stage shows and

many other stage hypnotists.

But then I thought,

I do use the amnesia suggestions.

So if I'm working with somebody that
has an addiction or something they

want to give up, I put that habit in
the forgetful place in their brain.

So while they're in tra, I talk about
how we all have a forgetful place.

You know, we forget telephone
numbers, we forget people's names.

There's all sorts of things that
people forget really easily.

And then I have the unconscious go and
find the forgetful area of the brain.

And again, by using finger signals and
through hypnosis, I have them put the.

Thing they want to forget in their
forgetful place and close the door.

And that's worked really well because
people forget to snort cocaine.

They forget to smoke cigarettes,
they forget to drink alcohol.

Um, so that's worked
very well with clients.

Mm-hmm.

No, I like that.

And actually, as you were saying there
I was, two things were happening.

One, I was having to inoculate
myself against your suggestions

about people forgetting.

Yeah.

I was gonna stop it.

Stop it.

I'm listening.

This what it I'm to say next.

He's everybody's remembering to forget.

Steve's going to be the, the person
that flips it around and remembers

to remember and forgets to forget.

Exactly, and what I remembered remembering
to do with clients when I used to

see a lot of one-to-one clients was
something very similar where, and it's

almost like the opposite of what I was
saying about remembering something.

When you need need to remember saying,
I locked it in and lock it in and lock

it in, do it two or three times and
it's the newer pathways locked in that

gives me the Q picture that tells me
what it is that I need to remember.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well the opposite is scrambling.

Yeah, it's scrambling.

It's either misdirection
confusion or laying something

else over that patterning.

Yeah.

So when we used to do the.

We used to use it as a bit of a convincer,
just for those of you that never did a

hypnosis training with Tina and myself,
we'd al we'd always start off day one

with the, give people a bit of a wow
experience because not everyone that

was there was really convinced that
hypnosis worked, even though they were

on a hypnotherapy, you know, course.

And one of the most wow experiences you
can have on a course like that is to be

hypnotized in the first 10, 15 minutes.

So we would almost like turn it into a
very quick stage show by telling stories

about sometimes, you know, we might have
done trainings before and we'd hypnotize

people within the first 10 minutes so
their feet are stuck to the ground.

So when they stand up, they
can't move, can they, can you?

So we do all these things and I was
always surprised every single time where.

So many people in the room listen to
the su suggestions that were now stuck

to their chairs or stuck sitting down.

Yeah.

Or even just telling the stories
about, you know, the numbers.

Yeah.

Missing numbers, getting
the hand stuck and Yeah.

Getting the hand stuck.

Yeah.

So people are really highly
suggestible, so don't underestimate

the power of a direct suggestion.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Um, although we had a context where
we are teaching hypnosis, there's an

expectation we're gonna be hypnotized,
and we say we are both hypnotists.

Hmm.

So we would give people
these really incredible wow

experiences at the very beginning.

Yeah.

Um, and one of the things I, I
remember when I used to do a lot

of one-to-one with people was I
would do very much the same as you.

I'd say there's something that,
um, you forgot to remember.

Mm-hmm.

'cause it wasn't important.

Yeah.

And if you, if you think it's
that one, it's not that one.

Um, because if you can remember what
it is, it's something different,

which means your unconscious mind
knows how to remember to forget

things that just aren't important.

And all this work we've just
done is something that you can

now put into the same category.

So I didn't use the containers
you did, which I like.

It's into the exactly the same place.

Mm, as all the other things that
you can begin to start to forget to

remember now off into the future.

And, you know, just really future pace.

And it's all confusing language.

It's like scrambling the brain.

And that has a, a, it's a very impactful
way of getting people to forget things.

I must, any of you that listened
to Richard's hypnotic, what was it?

Um, amnesia.

Amnesia.

Negation.

Negation.

That's fabulous.

The language in that is
just so, it is elegant.

It's high comedy as well.

Um.

It is, but that really is
scrambling and pattern, uh,

pattern disruption, disrupting.

Um, so yeah, I think direct suggestions.

If you wanna install amnesia, direct
suggestions, confusion and anything, which

is the opposite of installing a memory.

I, I did what once, um, Joshua and,
uh, this is my grandson, for those

of you that don't know, and he's
like six foot two and nearly 18 now.

But when he was, I don't know, nine years
old, uh, the ice cream van came past

the house and ding, ding, ding, ding.

And he said, mommy, mommy,
can I have ice cream?

And she said, no, you
haven't had your dinner.

And he went, okay.

And he waited.

And then he said, you are very
forgetful, aren't you, mummy?

And I went, what did you say?

He said, you forget lots of things.

I mean, just earlier today, you forgot.

Keys.

Keys.

And then a little while ago,
you completely forgot what

you had said, haven't you?

And then he said, can
I have some ice cream?

Mommy?

And she went, of course you can.

And she gave him a pound to go
and get some ice cream, and he

came back with his ice cream.

He, and I said, who
taught you how to do that?

And he went, you did grandma?

And then he just went and sat at his ice
cream and he was like nine years old.

Yeah.

Before he'd done temple shifts.

There's temple shifts as well.

Yeah.

Brilliant.

Lovely.

Yeah.

Beautiful.

It's also something else in terms
of installing amnesia, which goes

beyond, uh, verbal communication.

Mm-hmm.

Uh, if when you retrieve something.

The, the image that pops up that
gives you the, the information that

you're looking for, um, whether it's
visual, auditory, but let's, let's say

there's this visual content, um, you
can take, you can overlay something in

front, somebody else's visual recall.

Uh, some of you watching this might not
be aware of that, but I had a really, um,

profound experience of this with Richard.

Okay.

When we were teaching stations.

And he asked me, he
said, so how did they do?

So we mentioned this before, stations
are where they do the exercises.

Yeah.

On the, on the trainings.

And you go around, no,
not group number one.

Uh, group number one,
group number 2, 3, 4.

And I used to remember who did what.

'cause I could visualize number one.

Number two, who was there.

So I started off by going, well,
uh, the first one was Clive.

He was teaching something that, uh.

And then my picture disappeared.

Mm-hmm.

The picture that I was using to retrieve
the information from just disappeared.

Okay.

And most of you know that you can
actually reach out to other people's

pictures and grab them and tear them up
and do all sorts of things like that.

And, you know, Alessandro, the Italians
are great at this, aren't they?

With their gestures, you know,
knocking pictures outta the way.

Um, but my picture disappeared and I
thought, I can't, my mind's gone blank.

I can't remember what happened.

And I'm there with Richard
by the side of me waiting for

me to explain what's gone on.

And then he laughed and said,
you can have your picture back.

I went and it came back.

Okay.

But how did you do that?

He didn't answer that.

Okay.

No, he did.

He said easily, right?

Yeah.

And I thought, okay, he's not
gonna teach me how to do that.

I have to go and work out how to do that.

And I did, I worked out, and
there's many ways you can do that.

One is to take a picture of something
and overlay in front of something.

Yeah.

Um, or to actually with your
own gaze, move the picture away.

So if that's something that, uh,
some of you watching this weren't

even aware you could do, that's
something to go and play with.

You know, taking your visual
output and putting it, imposing

it in front of somebody else's.

You've just reminded me, um, I was,
I'm glad many, many, many years ago.

I'm remembering, I'm remembering.

Many years ago, uh, in a board meeting
my, when I was working, uh, for an

investment bank in the city of London, my
manager, director was sitting next to me.

Um, and I.

I just finished my NLP practitioner and
I'm sitting there and she's called us

all in at five o'clock in the morning so
we could have this board meeting and we

can include people in Tokyo or somewhere.

And she's going, and I'm
tired and I'm grumpy.

And she said, so the agenda for the day
is, and she started to do this with her

hand, and I thought her agenda is there.

It's there.

Ooh.

And at that point, I hadn't figured
out that I could move it energetically.

Mm-hmm.

And the person sitting over
there didn't have any coffee.

And the coffee pot was
through her picture.

So I stood up and I went through
her picture to get coffee for

my colleague, and then she went.

So I.

So what we are gonna do today is,
and she laid her agenda out again.

I deleted her agenda five
times and it was such fun.

Mm.

Uh, maybe this is a, an area
we can run a practice group.

Session on.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Um, because, uh, I'm just
talking to someone we both know.

I won't mention their name 'cause
it's not fair to mention their name.

Um, but they, they came to see me
about seven years ago actually.

And we were just, we were just kind
of playing with, um, submodalities

of, because he said to me, he said, do
you remember that thing you did where

you imprinted a, an image in my mind?

I went, no, I don't remember that.

Sorry.

Yeah.

To remind me that I said, oh no, you
thought of something and imprinted

it, wrote it down and, and it was
what it was what I thought of.

I went, oh, yeah, yeah, I did that.

You know, I'd forgotten I'd done that.

So we just spent an afternoon just
playing with that, how, how we could

construct a visual representation
and almost imprint it or present

it in front of somebody else's.

Um, it's, it's like really putting
your thoughts inside somebody

else's mind, to be honest.

Yeah.

Um, so it's not amnesia.

Um, it's really kind of, I guess.

Forcing somebody to think about something
that you would like them to think about.

It's great, by the way,
for poker to play poker.

Oh yes.

Yeah.

If you want to, um, put somebody off
their game, then you take your cards

that you want them to think you have and
project those in front of 'em, and they're

really not sure what you've got at all.

Um, so maybe that's something just to note
for the future that, that we can Yeah, I

have made a play with the submodalities.

Yeah, yeah.

Playing with sub modalities of images.

Yes.

So hopefully that helped them.

The other thing I'd like, I,
I'd be interested to know is why

do they want install amnesia?

Because, you know, um.

But in fact, there's one last bit I
want personally I wanna say about this.

That when it comes to certain traumatic
experiences, a lot of people think

it's a good thing to have amnesia for
something, which is really traumatic.

And, and I actually made that mistake
myself when I first got going.

I was working with, um, victims of abuse.

It wasn't by choice, it just, I
happened to work with somebody

on a hypnosis diploma I was on.

And it worked.

It was really effective.

It wasn't the hypnosis, it
was the NLP that I was doing.

Yeah.

And then I got to work with her support
group and it seemed like a good idea that

beginning to give them amnesia, then I
realized that wasn't a good thing 'cause

they wouldn't remember what had happened.

Um, and it's almost like the brain
knows there's something missing as well.

Yeah.

So just be a bit, you know, um, think of
the ecology when you are doing amnesia.

One, do you have permission to do it?

Yeah.

Um.

And are there some things where it's
important to have some recollection of

it just so we can learn from it as well?

Yeah.

So Richard tells a story, some of
you that have trained with Richard

will remember him telling this
story of somebody coming to see him.

'cause he wanted to stop smoking.

So he had the guy forget
that he was ever a smoker.

And then his wife came seeing Richard
and she was going crazy because he was

having, uh, his wife because she smoked
and she's going, but you are a smoker.

And he's going, no, I have never smoked,
I have never smoked, I would never smoke.

And it caused all sorts of issues.

Yeah.

So amnesia is not necessarily
a good thing for some things.

And you have be careful how you
set it up and how you install it.

Yeah, just think of the ecology.

Yeah.

Cool.

Have we answered that one?

I think we have.

So next question coming up now.

So with regard to hypnotic
anesthesia, I'm wondering about

the best strategy for joint pain,
especially when weight bearing.

I mentioned this because one of
my client's pain reduced from

10 to zero when non ambient, but
wasn't sustained when she walked.

Wow.

So, hmm.

My first thought when I read
this is, pain is a signal that

something needs attention.

Um, so when you take the pain away and
it goes down to zero, that's lovely.

But then when they're walking.

Are they then getting the signal back
that they need to deal with something?

Are they obese, morbidly obese?

Maybe they're too heavy for that
particular joint because there is

something in there that they need to
lose weight to make it more comfortable.

Is my first thought.

How about you?

Yeah, I, I, exactly.

Same thought.

Very similar actually.

Um, I think of pain as
like the alarm on a car.

Okay.

We have, we have the alarm on
the car that lets us know when

saint's gone wrong in this case.

If it gets broken into, yeah.

Um.

But imagine the alarm was going
off and it became hypertensive.

The, the alarm becomes a nuisance.

The tendency then is to wanna
switch the alarm off, but

now it leaves you vulnerable.

Okay?

So if somebody's got joint pain and
we switch it off completely, they're

not getting the signal that tells them
to pay attention and be careful so

they could actually cause more damage.

So what I would do in that situation,
I wouldn't necessarily be looking

to get it down to zero when they're
moving, but I'd let the system work out.

Get the unconscious to work out what
is a, a, the right and appropriate

signal for the person to get so
that they're paying attention.

In this case it might be, you know,
walk carefully or don't walk so much

or take some action such as, you
know, Tina mentioned, you know, lose

some weight or whatever it might be.

Um, so they're still getting the
signal, but it's not at a 10.

Okay.

You know, sometimes it's like the car
alarm doesn't need to be blasted out.

We kind of just need a signal to
go, Hey, someone's nicking your car.

Uh, so I would be looking
to recalibrate that signal.

'cause it, the system might be going,
no, we can turn this down because

they're gonna cause even more damage
if they could just keep on walking.

Um, so that's what I would
look to do with that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I would look at underlying conditions.

What, what is the pain
signal telling them?

Even do something like six step reframing
on it to figure out Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah.

What is the meaning behind that pain?

What is it doing for them?

What's it telling them?

What does it need?

Yeah.

And, and use the IMR signals as
well to go, you know, are you

willing to drop the signal down
from 10 to a nine if you go Yes.

Okay.

From a nine to an eight.

Yes.

And you calibrate it down to
that, down to a level where

the system goes, this is okay.

We can, uh, we can, willing to
reduce the pain, but we're not

necessarily willing to switch it off.

Yeah.

You can also look at not just
reducing the pain level, but the

pain duration in terms of time.

So for example, would you be willing
to, would the system be willing to

only give the signal for a minute
or two as long as they're paying

attention and walking appropriately?

Yeah.

Um, and let the system work out, you
know, so I've certainly been talking to

the unconscious and using IMR signals
with somebody, um, in that situation.

Years ago, um, I worked with a, an older
woman and she was in her seventies and she

had chronic pain and she couldn't walk.

And, uh, I, she came to see me,
I hypnotized her, and at the end

of the session, she had no pain.

And that afternoon her husband took
her down to Brighton, to the lanes,

and she wandered around for hours
and she had no pain whatsoever.

She had a wonderful time.

The minute she came home and she walked
into her house, the pain came back.

Now, after some investigation, the pain
actually gave her a huge secondary gain.

So then we dealt with the conflict, what
was going on with the secondary gain,

and then she was able to be pain free.

But also, I would never take pain
away from anybody completely.

Without making sure that they
had been to their doctors.

So we knew that there wasn't
some medical thing surrounding

this signal they're getting.

Yeah, and there's just, uh, a couple
other things I would just like to

sort of raise, relate to that one
is, um, the NLP presuppositions,

you know, I always like to have them
floating around somewhere to see where

something fits in and relates to those.

Now every behavior serves a, a as a
purpose at some context, you know,

it's a benefit of some context.

So this pain is serving a purpose.

You know, it may be an inconvenient,
may be a nuisance to the person.

They may want it gone, but
it's serving a purpose.

What's the, what's the underlying message
behind the pain and find that out.

And do the ecology check as well, because
sometimes the pain won't disappear

because it will affect something else.

Just like Tina was giving an example.

So look, look, look for the ecology check
and just, you know, find out the reasoning

behind the pain, not for them consciously.

'cause they won't have a clue.

You know, it's gotta be an
unconscious conversation.

So the next one, uh, okay, so I this,
ooh, this is for you thinking about the

inspiring view at Horton Country Park.

Okay.

And your mention of TQ Gong
and the longest of cheek

gone cheek on, sorry, sorry.

And the long list of inspiring reads.

I'm wondering how you manage
your time to achieve so much.

Okay.

Very well.

Thank you.

Great.

So next?

Yeah, the next question.

Well, the answer is, you know, we, we
talked about this quite a few times.

Um, so it's a really,
really good question.

Um,

only 24 hours in the day.

I prioritize my time.

Mm.

And I manage my time.

It doesn't mean I'm busy being busy
all the time, far from it, you know,

I have huge chunks of time, which are
downtime, but I do separate my time in,

in terms of working on me and, you know,
for me time, you know, working on my

business and working in the business.

And the way I keep track of that, and I
mentioned this before and I don't, I'm not

an affiliate and I don't get commissioned.

I use a thing called Tim.

I could just press the button or if,
if I'm in my office, I've got my little

octahedron and I turn it over and I go,
I'm working on the NLP masterclass and it

tracks my time so I know what I've done,
how much time I've spent on something, and

I always, uh, I've got my note pad here.

At the end of the day when we
finish here, I'm gonna review and

prepare my notes for the next day.

So when I'm finished, I don't
have to think about work at all.

Um, so when I wake up and I have
my morning routine, when I'm ready

to go to work, I know I've already
planned what I'm going to going to do.

Yeah.

Um, so there's a lot of pre-planning
comes for that, but my list only

includes the 20% that's gonna
make the biggest difference.

Yeah.

I will look at something and go, is
this really gonna move the needle?

Is this activity really gonna make
a a, you know, is it the difference

that's gonna make the difference?

And if it's not, I'm gonna not
spend my time on it, I'll, I'll

delegate it out to somebody.

So it, it is a just a bit of discipline.

Mm.

Um, practice and, and
speed reading as well.

You know, one of the first things I
became really fascinated by when I

first got into NLP and Hypnosis, um,
out, out of necessity by the way,

because I remember the product desk,
the product desk used to, you know,

back in the day 20 years ago, were very
different to the recent product desk.

They contained some really weird
stuff, you know, really esoteric stuff,

you know, and, and I'm not saying
Richard's stuff was esoteric, but all

the state of the art videos were there.

Um, and I spent 375 pound on
my practitioner carrying back

carrier bags full of books.

And I remember getting home and videos
and thinking, I've got so much to learn.

In this NLP hypnosis coaching world,
uh, how am I gonna get through it?

And I thought to myself, I
need to get a book on speed

reading and a book on memory.

I need to, I need to use NLP to master
accelerated learning techniques.

And I remember sitting there once with,
uh, book on memory and a book on speed

read and go, which do I read first?

Do I speed read so I can do that?

Or do I do this so I can
remember how the speed read?

Let's just do both.

Um, uh, so yeah, I, I
learned how to speed read.

In fact, I had a meeting with someone
on Tuesday and we were talking

about this because we've taught
people how to do speed reading

on some of the coaching courses.

We You did actually the miss Master pracs.

Master pracs.

No, because we were teaching
strategies and, yeah.

Yeah.

And, uh, this guy, um, we were talking
about stuff, uh, just having a catch up.

He said, oh, 'cause all those
years ago said, you, you.

You talked about speed reading
and I never really believed it.

And I said, yeah.

I said, even though you had the
most convincing experience, I said,

because he was in my office and
he said, you know, you, you talked

about speed reading twice before.

Does it really work?

I said, yeah, it works.

You know, I said, we did a practice
group where I taught people how to do

speed reading, got to speed, read a
piece, and then answered questions later.

And they remembered more from the bit.

They'd sp red, sp red spread
red, just reading sp red.

Um, he said, yeah, where
can I find out why?

He said, could you keep
mentioning, you mentioned this

thing called old trad and rhythms

when the brain switches every 45 minutes.

Left hemisphere, right?

Has I said, yeah, that's,
uh, Ernest Ross's psychology

mind body healing, page 136.

You can find out more about that.

He goes.

Really?

I went, I don't know, it
just popped up into my head.

Okay.

I said, let's go and find out.

And I remember going and grabbing
it and going, oh my God, it is.

It's page 136.

Uh, ultradian rhythms, Ross's
psychology, mind body healing.

I said, I sped read that book.

Okay.

Read my brain.

Took it in and learned that information.

And what a wonderful, convincing
experience that speed reading works.

Yeah.

So yeah, I speed read, I
go through a lot of books.

Doesn't mean I speed read everything.

And that's why I go through a lot of work,
learn a lot of new things, and I do make

sure I put it into practice straight away.

And I think that's important, especially
for you guys in the membership group.

If you're watching and learning, put what
we teach and train into practice because

it goes then from being theoretical, you
know, knowledge in here to experiential.

So yeah, that's why I do accelerated
learning and a bit of discipline.

And a lot of time doing nothing as well.

Wow.

Oh, too, there's one other,
there's one other thing.

You have to be lazy.

Yeah.

There we go.

You have to be lazy.

Yeah.

I'm very lazy and that's how I get
so much done because I need to get

it done quickly, efficiently, and
out the way so that then I can Yeah.

Be lazy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So the next question.

Okay.

Um, so we ha we start with a quote.

The doubt it is uncomfortable, but
only idiots never have any by Voltaire.

Hmm.

The doubt that is uncomfortable,
but only idiots never had any, yeah.

Okay.

Never.

Yeah.

Okay.

Never, ever doubt.

Um, so the question is,
what would you suggest.

To deepen our study regarding the new
challenges of the day after the pandemic,

do we suggest calibration, empathy,
empathy, humor or benile amnesia?

What do we suggest to deepen our
understanding was that, what do we

repeat that To deepen our study.

Regards our study.

Okay.

So I guess that review, I'm
assuming, and now this is someone

who English is their second language.

This is Marco.

So he was using second language love.

Um, yeah, his, his, his English
is way better than my Italian.

I'm sorry Marco.

I'm still indeed and mine.

Mm.

Yeah.

Um, so I guess we're looking
at, my pressure would be.

Reviewing the challenges of
the day after the pandemic.

Yeah.

Rather than it being a study, you
know, you're gonna do a PhD on the, uh,

although it might be an interesting, uh,
study to do a PhD on strategies and, um,

attitudes and mindsets post pandemic.

Um,

okay.

I, I, well, there's something about that
I, I've got a lot about that actually.

It's just popping up into my head.

So let's just see where it all goes.

Um, I think it's about
maintaining a degree of rapport

with what's going on outside.

Mm-hmm.

In the, in the bigger world.

Okay.

Um, and lemme tell you
what I mean by that.

Um, by probably giving an example of
when, um, the pandemic first started.

That rapport with what was going on then.

So in this case, you know, I'm thinking
of rapport as being a, a degree of

understanding of what's going on.

Okay.

Rather than being in
rapport with everyone.

But a lot of people were, went into
freeze, fight, flight, um, stop spending

and report would mean not kind of just
ignoring it and carrying on a business

of normal because we are positive.

Yeah, yeah.

Having a degree of, you know,
looking around and going, well,

most people wallets have shut shop,
you know, shut closed, and they're

gonna stay closed for a while.

People are holding onto their
resources, they're doing the

freeze, they're doing the holding.

Um, so this is probably not the
best time to just be positive

and just launch a new venture.

Okay?

Mm-hmm.

So I think there's a, there's an element
of, uh, maintaining a degree of rapport.

And reality, but without being drawn
into the hypnosis of any real negativity.

Yeah.

Because I think the psychology now is,
is very different to the very beginning.

At the very beginning, I, I wouldn't
have gone against any of the, um, the,

the lockdown behaviors that people had.

There was no point, you know, like
most of the work we were doing earlier

on was just, you know, helping and
being of service rather than selling.

Yeah, yeah.

Um, I would be looking at my particular
industry and making sure that, um, I don't

get drawn into huge generalizations about
people's buying patterns, for example.

Yeah.

There will be plenty of people that
lockdown hasn't, you know, the pandemic

doesn't affect them financially.

They're still spending the
same as they were, so I would.

I'll be very careful not to get
drawn into any huge generalizations

about limitations or poverty
thinking or, you know, restrictions.

'cause it's too easy to go
to to hypnotize yourself by.

So, so much of the
negative news It is, it is.

It's so, so easy to be pulled in.

Um,

sorry, I've just got to Tanya, please
stop messaging me 'cause you are pinging.

Thanks.

Um, okay, so while you, while you stop
with Tan Tanya, give, give a context.

You know, we, we are running
seminars and people are paying

and turning up in seminars.

Yeah.

And then there are still people
that are going, I don't wanna

go to a seminar at the moment.

There are.

Okay.

Yeah.

So as much as we can, we, we
marketing as much as we we're.

Um, positive.

As much as we're creating the place,
you're still working against the reality

of other people's, um, behaviors.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So we wouldn't be expecting 150, 300
people on a training at the moment.

Yeah.

Not, without doing a lot more, a lot more
work than we would've done previously.

Yeah.

Yeah.

People are being very circumspect.

They're, they're
watching, they're waiting.

Um, they're, they're talking and they're
saying that they really want to come

and do the course, but they don't
feel comfortable going into a room

with, with lots of people right now.

So rather than do it now, you know,
what are we doing like next year?

Um, and I think there is
a lot of hesitancy still.

And of course there's also a
lot of, um, bullshit out there.

I mean, when I was in Spain, I was
in Spain for two and a half weeks.

Um.

I was being told, this was what was in
the media in Spain, that in England,

because we had no lorry drivers,
shelves were empty, nobody could get

any food, people were gonna be starving.

Um, um, and I thought, oh, and when
I came back and I went into, um, went

into the shop and I'm thinking, oh
no, there's still plenty of food here.

It's, it's still okay.

So people are, are being
driven by, by fear.

Yeah.

And when people go into fear, um, they end
up doing that MSU strategy, don't they?

Where they kind of make stuff up.

Yeah, yeah, they true.

Yeah.

Um, and, and the fears get exaggerated.

So I think there's an element and, and
being, it'd be, I'd liked to have had

the conversation about this, you know,
in what specific context we talking about

business or we just talking generally.

So I'm gonna make an assumption
he's talking about business,

unless that was actually in the
question, um, and I missed it.

Um, so Marco says here, the crisis
is always personal question mark.

Okay.

I don't, I dunno what that means.

Um, but I, I'm just gonna make an
assumption just to answer a question

he's gonna ask is about business.

Yeah.

I'd just be checking, uh,
doing lots of reality checking.

What I mean by that is I've been
doing a lot of research and talking

to people and finding out what the
moods are rather than just, uh, you

know, what people's, um, real decisions
are gonna be rather than just making

assumptions or going by the media.

Yeah, for sure.

So for example, um, like taking
the lorry driver example.

Yeah.

Well, we, in the UK we are 14,000 lorry
drivers short, uh, because of post Brexit.

And they've been nationally
six, uh, 600 new lorry drivers

trained in the last three months.

Now how do I know that?

Tanya, because I read a lot.

Okay.

And I keep up on the business
news 'cause I'm interested in, in

trends, you know, where there are
gaps, where there are problems.

'cause when there are
problems, there are solutions.

So for example, if one of my clients
needs lorry drivers, um, there's

an, there's an opportunity there.

Yeah.

Um, or if one of my clients is
looking for labor, but there's,

uh, other companies are spending
money recruiting lorry drivers.

So there are, there are supermarkets that
are going, yeah, we are short of lorry

drivers, so we're gonna give 2000 pound
bonuses to anyone that comes along and

signs up and does a loy driver training.

Then they may not, they may not,
may not be able to recruit people.

Yeah.

So I like to do the research and really
get into, you know, the facts before I

start making any commercial decisions.

I.

So, like for example, with our
training, we know that people's

buying patterns are different to what
they were, are there enough people?

More than enough?

So it's not gonna stop us.

Yeah.

We just have to work a little bit more,
us a little bit more, make a little bit

more noise than maybe we did before.

Um, so just don't get drawn into
any of the negative hypnosis,

but also have a re reality check.

And if it's a personal thing, um,
I am very careful when I'm out

and about and I'm doing things.

I mean, I don't know about Italy in Spain.

Everybody's still wearing
masks here in the uk.

Oh, hang on Marco.

Okay.

I mean, exist internal reality,
external reality, and fake news reality.

It's a lot of work.

So I think he's talking
about the fact that.

You've got what's actually happening
out there, what's happening in their

head, and the rubbish they're being fed.

So you're doing these systems.

Yeah.

It's a great opportunity to
install amnesia for rubbish.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking actually.

It's too easy to hypnotize
people, isn't it?

Look, we, we know this, we are hypnotists.

It's very easy to hypnotize people.

We only need people to, you know,
believe things and give them a few

little nuggets of what they perceive
to be, um, you know, reality and data.

And it can be locked in and then they
don't, and then you've go work really

hard to change that, that fixed belief.

So I, I'm very, um, aware of that.

And willing to be uncertain of
my certainty in certain things.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And, and also to be aware that there
are people out there around you that

have different beliefs and values
and may not feel as safe as you do.

Uh, and just treat them with kindness.

Yeah, yeah.

Re respect other people's, um, belief
systems, no matter how bonkers they are.

Yeah, yeah.

That's fine.

Basically.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Treat them with kindness.

Yeah.

It's 'cause we're, we're all,
um, we're all perfect, aren't we?

It's like that, that drive in metaphor.

Anyone that drives faster
than you is a maniac.

Anyone that drives slower
and than new is a moron.

Yeah.

And there we go.

Driving along.

Perfect.

So our, our reality views of what's
going on is, is, is real and everyone

else is, you know, wrong now.

I think it's a great time to be kind.

Oh, here's one.

Okay.

Having worked one-to-one with
clients for a couple of years now,

uh, all sorts of things can crop up.

What's your advice regarding
continual personal development?

Do it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, okay.

Well that, that's why we've
got the membership group.

That's why we've got the Facebook
group because you know, was

it gotta be 10,000 people?

I've worked with Tina,
you've gotta be thereabouts.

You know the con the, I say
the conveyor belt and the

revolving door days of long gone.

I don't do that anymore.

No, no I don't do that anymore.

That there used to be six or eight
clients a day or six days a week.

Just 'cause I was fascinated,
you know, I bring, bring in as

many crazy people as possible.

'cause they were just fun
to work with and Right.

Sort 'em out and off they go.

Um, so I don't think
anything replaces experience.

So in terms of CPD Yeah.

You know, mentor mastermind
groups, that's what we do here.

Yeah.

Membership groups.

That's a great way to just keep doing your
CPD practice, you know, and yeah, the more

the practice is real rather than just.

You know, practice in the training
room, the better, I think.

Yeah.

Because nothing beats actually
being with someone who doesn't do.

What you've been told they do.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And then you have to work it out.

That's the best way to learn.

Oh yeah.

That's a great way to learn.

Um, and I mean, I know that you
did something similar when you

finished your practitioner as well.

I mean, I just, I, I read everything.

Uh, I can remember going down the,
the street from the TUC center where

the course was and you had foils
and I walked into foils and they had

every book Richard had ever written.

So I bought all of them.

Um, and then I bought a few more
by Dets and a few other people.

Um, and then I bought all the videos.

'cause in those days they weren't
DVDs, they were VHS videos.

I bought all the videos, and then when
the course was finished, I started,

I'd sit and I'd watch the videos and
I'd take notes and I'd read the books,

and I did the exercises in the books.

And then if I found something in
the book that I wasn't sure of.

I did some research.

What is this?

How can I find out more about this?

So then I might have bought
different books, not necessarily

NLP books, but something else that
would teach me about what it was

that I didn't quite understand.

And my brain still runs that program.

I'm always looking for new
learning, new experiences.

Yeah.

Uh, it never ends.

Yeah, it is continuous.

Eternal.

Eternal.

Oh, no.

Eternal.

Oh no, there's that word.

So I'm a big, I'm a big
fan of specialization when

it comes to a business.

You know, having a niche and specializing
and becoming, you know, really mastering.

But there's something to be said at
the very beginning when you're getting,

especially if you're a therapist, you
are in coaching, is just like coach with

everybody and anybody just to really
one, find out what you love working.

Yeah.

And, and doing to find out what
you just really can't stand.

That's the issue as well.

Um, and to find as many people
that just really don't comply

with what you've been trained.

So you have to work out what to do.

You know, nothing beats having that
flexibility, oh, this person's really

just not following my instructions.

You know, how am I gonna get them to
follow the instructions, you know, am

I giving them the wrong instructions?

You know, just be continually.

Mastering by, you know, outputting and
outputting and outputting all the time.

Um, and you do meet some weird
ones eventually, don't you?

Thena I mean, you do some of the
best ones where I've learned.

Well, that's where you learn
the most with the weird ones.

Yeah.

I mean, there's one guy that came
in to see me and it was for, it

was he was, um, it was business.

He was anxious and stressed
and I'm sitting there and he

kept looking and looking and I
said, what are you looking for?

And he goes, we are on our own, aren't we?

And I went, okay, this
isn't just how stress.

And he was hallucinating people.

And it was one of the most fun sessions
I ever had where I ended up getting him.

'cause he was good at hallucinating.

So hallucinated remote control.

And I was able to turn jump board from
Richard working with, turn him off.

Andy?

With Andy.

Yeah.

And, uh, we got the person in the
room that he could see to have

a clown nose and a, and a hat.

Because there was the button on.

And that's not in a textbook.

That's not in a textbook.

But that's how you learn.

That's how you learn to feel
comfortable being uncomfortable.

Yeah, it is.

So one more, here we go.

Marketing is a must.

What are your tips for
getting social media right?

Or is that a topic you plan to address?

Well, if this person is in the
Secret Agents of Change membership

group, it's a topic we've been
addressing for four months.

They may not have been aware of it.

Okay.

But the growth, uh, mastery path that
they're on, and it's not linear it, you

come back and do it again and do it again.

'cause there's different layers.

We started off with psychology people,
um, products, pro uh, processes, products.

Now we're moving into
persuasion and influence.

You have to have all the others.

Um, you have to have worked on the others
in order to then move into the marketing.

Yeah.

Because if you dunno who your people
are, you dunno what their beliefs

are, you dunno where they hang out.

You don't know how to deal with
their, um, uh, limiting beliefs.

You know, you don't have all
of that stuff sorted out.

Well, your marketing's not
gonna be particularly effective.

Okay.

So, um, marketing is a must.

Are we gonna deal with it?

We are dealing with it.

We're in a process.

We are gonna be doing something which
I think is really cool, um, in October

to do with persuasion influence.

It's something I've never trained.

To a group before.

Um, but it is very effective.

It's some trainer.

I did, um, with one of my clients,
they were spending 35,000 a year

on email outbound marketing.

It was bringing in a million
pounds worth of business.

And then I trained this, and for the
same sort of bucks, it was about 35,000.

They're bringing in three times that
3 million pounds worth of business.

So it's something you don't need
to have a big business for it to

be effective and work, you know,
it works perfectly well if you're a

coach and you run in a small practice.

So yeah, marketing is a must.

But know your people.

Yeah.

Any marketing you do has
to go to the right people.

And the more you think about
the other people, you know,

stop thinking about yourself.

Think about the people
that you're serving.

The more you understand them, the better
your marketing will be Eventually.

Um, actually I think it's a skill that,
uh, a lot of entrepreneurs don't have,

by the way, and a lot of marketing
people don't really have particularly

well, uh, mastered and most coaches
haven't got a clue about it either.

Yeah.

So it is one of those areas to get some
mastering and if you're in the, um,

membership group, you're getting that.

So we have four minutes, so I'll have,
very briefly, I'm gonna come up with

a question that James posted on here.

She wants to strengthen her
visual senses, her visual acuity.

Now I remember we used to do the,
um, vision streaming, didn't we?

Yeah.

Image streaming.

Image streaming.

That's it.

Yeah.

I forgot for a moment.

See, I remembered win
weger image streaming.

Yes.

Yes.

Jane, look up win weger image streaming.

There are exercises.

The Einstein factor, let's see
that wrong with my memory now.

Is there books?

Yeah, there you go.

The Einstein Factor.

Win weger.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Um, so just briefly, the um,
image streaming technique is,

um, Jane's probably seen that
program or, um, give us a clue.

There's one where you, you have a picture
and little squares, uh, disappear.

There's a picture behind all these
squares and a square pops away, and

you just get a little glimpse of the
picture and you have to say what you see.

Okay.

Jane's probably seen that program.

Yeah.

So you don't see the full picture,
but you say what you're see and if

you get it right, you win prizes.

Yeah.

So image stream is a bit like that where
you close your eyes and you imagine

something and you describe it and the
more you describe it, the better you

become at being able to reference what
you are seeing and the better you become

at them, being able to manipulate it.

Okay.

Um, it's a great technique
when done with somebody else.

'cause somebody can guide you.

So the, you know, what do you see?

And somebody will go, I see nothing.

You know, what color is the nothing?

It's black.

So we've got black, nothing.

Um, what's around the peripheral?

Oh, I see.

Little blue lights.

Okay.

So tell me about the blue lights.

So you have someone who keeps
prompting you and the images

eventually start to stream.

They start to flow and.

By you describing them, you're
doing a couple of things.

You're increasing your, your
acuity, you also increasing your iq.

Okay.

I can't remember how many points,
uh, so much image streaming does.

Um, but it, it is a great way of
apparently increase in the iq.

It does, yeah.

It does increase your iq.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And, and, and you could also, if you
don't have anybody to prompt you,

Jane, just record it on your phone.

Record the audio of what you can
see and what you're aware of.

Um, and initially you may have a lot of
nothingness, blackness with lights poking

through, and then gradually it's like a
curtain disappears and all is revealed.

And yeah.

And actually you go through different
phases of evolution when you do this.

Um, I remember John Laval doing a,
a, a little exercise with, um, people

to do the visual, um, sensory acuity.

So, so imagine a cube.

See the cube in front of you.

And, and I'm not saying this is
exactly what John do does, 'cause

I've, I've pretty sure I've changed it.

So the front of the cube is red
and the back of the cube is green.

Can you see that as we go?

Yeah.

And then, um, have a look at
the other side of the cube.

How did you do that?

And for a lot of people, they'll turn
the cube around and some people will

be able to float over and float around.

Yeah.

If you turn the cube around.

Turn it back and then attempt experiment
by moving and shifting your positioning.

So you are looking at
it from the other side.

Now at the beginning, that could be a
bit challenging for some people, but

they'll be able to do it with practice.

And then you practice flipping
the cube over spinning the cube,

putting something inside the cube.

So what you're doing is you're
starting to, with intent, create visual

representations and manage them and
control them and manipulate them.

Um, and it's practice.

You know, come back to CPD.

Just practice and practice and practice.

You could, you could look at saying, we
did this on hypnosis, didn't we, Tina?

Where we've got people to look
at candles and then turn away

and Can you see the candle?

Well, yeah, of course they can.

'cause it's imprinted.

Yeah.

Okay.

Make the candle bigger.

Make the candle smaller.

And so there's loads of
different ways to practice.

Um, improving your sensory, um,
creating images, sensory acuity.

In terms of tuning in.

That's another.

Conversation, you know, seeing
somebody else's submodalities.

Yeah.

I mean, that's something to add to the
submodality session that we, we were

talking about doing where you were
moving pictures and Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because, um, you, we've practiced,
you will be able to see other,

the submodalities of other
people's visual representation.

I know that sounds weird for
some people, but, uh, yeah.

Yeah.

And I think that's what she
meant, because she's just said

on here, um, I meant tuning in.

So she, I think what she's looking for is
to be able to see other people's pictures.

Picture.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, there's an element of, it's
a bit like, um, remote viewing.

Certainly for me, you know, I find,
um, I have to go quiet, which is

very quick, very easy to do, you
know, and I don't look for it.

It's almost out the peripheral.

It's like some people, when they
look at auras, they, they'll

see them out their peripheral.

When I'm observing and looking
for something, if I'm looking

for it, I don't tend to see it.

If I'm looking past it, I can see it out.

The peripheral.

Yeah.

It, it's like looking at those, those,
um, magic eye photos, you've gotta look

through it, so you've gotta defocus
your eyes and look through the person.

Um, yeah, it's, it, it is something that I
think would be worth us doing like a whole

thing on for the, for the, for the group.

Yeah, we've been talking about, I mean, it
would be good to put this out to the group

and see what response we get, um, about
running a few more live master classes.

But we need to make sure we've got
a few numbers that turn up and doing

some of these more weird, um, weird.

'cause uh, I think they're magic
really, rather they're not weird.

Um, some of these weird things that we
do with NLP, um, because all the weird

stuff, but there are, um, sensible
applications for them, aren't there?

There are, yeah.

You know, being able to, and Eric
Robbie spend weeks teaching some

modalities so that he get people to be
able to see other people's pictures.

Yeah.

And, and everyone's different.

Some people can lock
into that very quickly.

Marco likes that plan by the way he says.

Fantastic.

Okay.

Alright.

So, so it's now eight o'clock and I
think the evening was brought to you.

By Infinity.

Infinity Masterclass.

Yeah.

So look, hopefully, I mean, we aren't
giving you our God likes opinions

on some of the questions you've got.

Um, but yeah, please guys
keep the questions come in.

Uh, don't just wait until before we
do the live a half to send them to us.

Um, it's good to have a real archive of
them and, um, yeah, some great questions.

Hopefully they've been helpful.

Uh oh, I just remember Tina, next
Thursday, yeah, next Thursday we

have Alessandra Morra from Palmer.

He's going to be talking
about peak performance.

So those of you who are within
the membership group, you

will get an invite to that.

Anyway, for those of you that aren't in
the membership group, dare I say, yet.

Yeah.

Um, you can follow the link.

It's on the, uh, the masterclass
page and book your place.

It's only 20 pounds for the evening.

It'll be teaching the more
and more pattern, won't he?

He will be teaching the
more and more pattern.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The blackberry, blackberry pattern.

Um, yeah.

I look forward to that.

Really looking forward to that.

Great.

So, okay, so we're done.

Ciao.

When or not, take care everyone.

Be well.

Take care and we'll see you October.

See you.

See you next time.

Bye.